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Debate:  The Conversion of Clovis




Proposition:  Clovis converted to Christianity because of a battlefield miracle

 













Remember:  you will be called upon to answer at least one of the questions as part of the debate; you may (should) also take part in other parts if you have things to say that differ from what your teammates have said.

 

Debate:

 

Team 1:  argue for the Proposition

 

Team 2:  argue against the Proposition

 

 

Assigned questions - Team 1:

1.  Background - Who were the Franks?  Who was Clovis?  Where did they/he come from?

2.  Background - What did Clovis do in the course of his reign?

3.  Background - Who was Gregory of Tours?  What is his History about and when was it written?

4.  Presentation of the proposition:  what is the topic?  what is the basis of your argument?

5.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means

6.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means

7.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means.

8.  Do the summary, summarizing your team's arguments and state why they are preferable (you can't do this ahead of time).

 

Assigned questions - Team 2:

 

1.  Background - Who were the Arians around the year 500?  Where were they based? (Dr. Deliyannis will bring a map of Europe c. 500).

2.  Background - Who exactly was Clothilda?  What was her role in Clovis' conversion?

3.  Background - Who was Avitus of Vienne?

4.  Presentation of the proposition:  what is the topic?  what is the basis of your argument?

5.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means

6.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means

7.  Arguments - select one significant sentence from the primary sources that favors your side, and explain what it means.

8.  Do the summary, summarizing your team's arguments and state why they are preferable (you can't do this ahead of time).

 

 

 

Primary source evidence

 

Primary sources related to Clovis' conversion can be found here; do look at the comparative material, including Bede's account of the Conversion of England and Eusebius' account of Constantine:

 

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/gregory-clovisconv.html

 

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/496clovis.html

 

The other main primary source about Clovis' conversion is the letter of Avitus of Vienne to Clovis, which I have posted on Oncourse.  Actually this PDF file contains some background about the conversion, as well as some other texts and documents about Clovis (including the selections from Gregory of Tours listed above).

 

 

 

Links to information on the conversion of Clovis


There is a lot of junk on the internet!  Unfortunately, there is almost nothing out there that provides reliable information about the baptism of Clovis.  Instead, I recommend that you look at at least one of the following recent articles about this event (you may, of course, look at both) to help you understand the material and make up your mind about your argument:

 

William Daly,  "Clovis:  How Barbaric, How Pagan?" Speculum 69 (1994):  619-664, read pp. 637-641 (you are of course welcome to read the rest of the article, too!)

 

Danuta Shanzer,  "Dating the baptism of Clovis: the bishop of Vienne vs the bishop of Tours," Early Medieval Europe 7 (1998):  29-57, read pp. 50-57 (again, you are welcome to read the whole article) - on Oncourse

 

Finally, one other good text on Clovis' conversion is Richard Fletcher's The Barbarian Conversion from Paganism to Christianity (Univ. of California Press, 1997), pp. 97-129.  I have put pp. 100-107 on Oncourse.